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It's a point of pride for me that I've never seen a single episode of either The Bachelor or Keeping Up With the Kardashians. But thanks to social media, I feel like I know everything I need to about both of those shows and the people in them. So when I went to the Baccarat hotel in New York City last week to interview Kourtney Kardashian, the newly-minted ambassador for Manuka Doctor skin care products, I felt like I knew her already. Despite her recent Yeezification, I know she's the reasonable one, the quieter one. She allegedly gets vaginal lasering treatments. I liked her before I even met her.
After signing a waiver to give my permission to possibly be seen on a show I never watch — because obviously there was a crew there from KUWTK filming the event — I got to chat with Kourtney along with two other editors, who looked as shellshocked as I felt at actually being eight inches away from a living, breathing Kardashian. She is very tiny and was dressed in a tiny dress and thigh-high boots, with the requisite Kardashian-approved glam makeup in place.
After explaining that she landed the Manuka Doctor deal after posting something about loving manuka honey on her app, we talked about her skin care routine. (Quick side note: Manuka honey, a darling in the wellness world, is produced in Australia and New Zealand from bees who hang out on one particular type of flower. It's thought to have antibacterial properties and has been touted for all sorts of other unproven things like treating cancer. I used to be an oncology nurse — trust me, if manuka honey was good for that, doctors would be using it in treatments every day. They're not. But it's nice for your skin.)
After name dropping all the products, Kourtney let us in on a beauty ritual she and her sisters have been doing since middle school. "My sister and I have always put oil on our eyes, since seventh grade." Wait, on the whole eye? "Just our eyelids. That's the part of me that feels dry at nighttime, so I'll put it on my eyelid and under my eyes. An eye cream for me, I don't know, it feels weird. I love the consistency of the oil. I've done that literally since 7th grade."
There are lots of recipes for DIY honey use online, so we talked about that, too. "I haven't done it yet, but [my friend] has a beauty blog and she's one of my best friends since high school and she's like, 'We're going to make a lip scrub and all these different things with honey.' But we were just saying, too, it's santeria, like witchcraft, to put honey all over your body. You're supposed to attract a man or something." Obviously I had to ask her if she was going to try it. "Not for that reason, but I just want to do it. I love using natural stuff and it just sounds like it would be a good thing to try." (Again, if this worked, Tinder probably wouldn't exist.)
And speaking of recipes, I had to ask her about her now-infamous avocado pudding recipe, which she featured on her app last week and which she gave to Kathie Lee and Hoda on the Today Show, came into being. "My baby nurse, who's Brazilian, was eating it one day. I think it's like a famous Brazilian thing and she would make it and literally since she made it for me I've had it every morning since," Kourtney said. "I love it. I can't take credit but I eat it every morning and everybody asks me, so I was like, I have to share it on my app."
Kourtney also revealed that she and the kids just gave up dairy. "I keep hearing that it's great for your skin to give it up and this new doctor that my kids and I have been seeing just said that we all have allergies to it, which is not anything that any of us have noticed, but I keep hearing so many people saying you're not supposed to have dairy after you're a year old or something," she said. "We do have it once in a while, but in the last six weeks we've had it twice." The kids don't miss it? "No. I think dairy is the easiest to replace. There are so many milk options. There are cheese options. That hasn't been as hard, but we're gluten free too, and that's been really hard."
I dunno. The Kardashians can sell me honey skin care, but I'm not sure they'll ever sell me on non-dairy cheese.